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. i'm susie gharib. with just hours to go a deal emerges to avert the fiscal cliff, but can congress pass the measure in time? president obama says they can, we've got the latest from washington, on what could happen before the new year's day deadline. and wall street ends the year with a rally and healthy gains. s&p strategist sam stovall joins us with where he sees stocks headed in 2013. that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! washington lawmakers are getting close to a fiscal cliff deal, but they might not get it done before the midnight deadline tonight. the senate could vote in time, but it's possible the house will wait until tuesday. that means the u.s. could go over the fiscal cliff. on wall street today, investors bought up stocks on high hopes of deal, after president obama said this afternoon a deal is "in sight," and positive comments from republican leaders in the senate. here's how e major averagesr closed on this last trading day of 2012. the dow surged 166 points, the nasdaq jumped about 60, and the s&p rose almost 24 points. while wall street has already closed the books
on january 3. >> reporter: january 3 is the deadline for the new congress to start work. if a fiscal cliff fix isn't passed by then, the start of a new congress will likely delay matters even more. which is why the focus now is on reaching a nano-deal. >> the minimal that they can put together to avoid the fiscal cliff which will have sadly almost no impact on the long- term debt trajectory, but right now, neither markets nor the congress care about that. >> reporter: congress has never been terrific at long-range planning, but now the definition of long range seems to be 48 hours. >> you don't hear people talking, well a year from now, we really need to be here. you hear, well we need to do that this week. we need to do that day after tomorrow. this short-time frame horizon is new and i think people who think we are going to have tax reform and entitlement reform next year are way, way off base. >> cutting short his vacation but it's unclear whether he has the power to force a last minute solution through a deeply divided congress. >> darren gersh. >> so, joe, how bad could that be? >> i
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to pressure the congress to act to raise the debt ceiling. that is not directly implicated in the fiscal cliff talks, but it's part of the larger issue of debt and deficit that congress has to deal with. secondly, house run leaders conferred and sent a letter to democrats to say it is up to the senate to act. the house has already acted on a bill to avert the fiscal cliff. democrats have no intention of taking up that house bill, which would extend all of the tax cuts into 2013. the approximated says he's not going to do that. plus a senate democrat leader told me there is a possibility of extending tax cuts for those under $250 thoid, but turning off the automatic across the board budget cuts. that will be a temporary measure. and finally, president obama has returned from his vacation in hawaii to try to kick start those talks. but the white house officials tell me there are no signs of progress yet. they have to hope that when members come back to washington on the 27th, that is thursday wblg that both the president, democrats in the senate, republicans in the senate and then both parties i
the break, not just the fiscal cliff, other big issues congress has to deal with, including a debt ceiling in a matter of weeks, if we can't get past the cliff, i guess what i'm going to ask you, ron is how much hope do we have that congress can tackle these other huge issues? >> well, look, i think that's the big story here. the context wit fiscal cliff and all of this has to be seen. it is whether red america and blue america are following mediate their differences and find reasonable compromises to move forward. we know democrats have won the popular vote five of the last six times for the presidency. they have kind of a structural advantage, i believe, and demographic change. we know republicans have an advantage in the house the way the population distributed. we know for at least the next two years, probably the next four years, going to have divide government. none of us are going away and really, you know, watching the inability to make this deal is ominous the next two years because it suggests that neither side, but i think probably more of the republicans, but neither side entir
before investing. liz: the framework, the skelton, is set for a deal on the fiscal cliff but congress still has to vote on it before this goes into efence. -- effect, let's bring in our panel of congressman with expertise on this. mick mulvaney of south carolina, tim huelskamp kansas and dennis cue cues ohio. you've been leaving congress. you've been term-limited by voters. i know you're general in favor of what you would call a more fair tax system. the top 3%, everybody earning $250,000 or more, pay about 60% of all the federal income taxes that are paid. 3% say, 60%. how much more do you think they should pay before it is fair? >> well, the choices we've been given aren't the best choices, i will tell you that. we ought to be creating more taxpayers. we ought to be talking about jobs. david: i agree. bingo. >> how is it that we've avoided this discussion? all we're talking about is getting more money of people working right now. so, you know, there has to be some kind of a cuttoff about preserving the current tax cuts. i opposed the bush tax cuts because i thought most of the benef
cover but has seen an impact as the fiscal cliff approaches. congress may be able to avoid the starry cliff. they're set to temporarily extend the u.s. farm bill. the move would keep a long dormant milk subsidy from coming back to life when the current bill expires today. under a new law, the milk could be forced at prices well above what farmers are getting now if that subsidy was pushed aside. let's get a look at what's on the agenda this week in the u.s. there is no data out today and markets will put in a full trading session on wednesday. thursday is the adp employment report and weekly jobless claims. friday brings the december payroll numbers. we also get ism services and factory orders. plenty of data there. it will be quite a busy week. from all of us here at "worldwide exchange," happy early new year. on that note, we want to know if you made any resolutions, trade or otherwise on what you plan to do for 2013? send them in. tweet us or reach us individually. just after the break, we take a look at mu ni bonds. how do investors feel about this asset class next year? we'll hav
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to avoid the most immediate economic impacts of the fiscal cliff. with 15 hours to go and counting, members of congress are disgusted and embarrassed. >> when the future of the country, you know, rests in the hands of 70 and 80-year-olds who have jet lag, it's probably not the best thing. >> something has done terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our american economy is our american congress. >> the senate will reconvene at 11:00 this morning, but after a day of public gamesmanship and little obvious progress behind the scenes on sunday. >> there's still significant distance between the two sides, but negotiations continue. >> i want everyone to know i'm willing to get this done, but i need a dance partner. >> mitch mcconnell called on vice president joe biden to be that dance partner. biden has brokered 11th-hour deals with the republican leader in the past. mcconnell's appeal came just hours after the president appeared on "meet the press" and called out republican leaders by name. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done, not because democrats in congress don't want to g
to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. dagen: with the president and congress on a christmas break, will they miss their year end deadline? peter barnes? peter: just got a note from one of the speaker's spokes people he said the speaker and the president have not spoken since that phone call on friday. all eyes are now on the senate when it returns on thursday to try to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. this past friday before the president left for his family vacation in hawaii, he proposed a limited measure to avoid all of the cliff when speaker boehner scuttled his plan b, the president wants to extend the bush tax cuts now for the middle class and try to avoid some of these deep spending cuts on january 1st. a white house spokesperson says today that staff discussions continue between the administration and the hill. in july you may recall the senate democrats passed an extension of the middle class tax cuts if r a year at a -- for a year at a cost of 157 billion. that bill also patched the alternative minimum tax for 2012 for 92 billion, but it went nowhere after that. sen
ameritrade. >>> welcome back to "power lunch." if you were a member of congress what would your fiscal cliff solution be. 2% of you, 2%, said big tax hike. 31% said massive spending cuts. 58% said a mix of spending cuts and tax hikes. 6% said do nothing. blame the other party. 3% said stay quiet. now let's see what's coming up on "street signs." mandy is down at the nysc. >> hi there, ty. we're scaling numerous cliffs. we have the fiscal cliff, the milk cliff and the ranmar cliff. stick around. will 2013 be a do or die year for big box retailers. which ones could be on the line. and it's prediction 2013. we're going to give you three of our big predictions for next year. i brought along a friend. top of the hour, folks, back to you on "power lunch." >> thank you, mandy. >>> back to our top story. congressional leaders heading to the white house in just about 1.5 hours in a last-minute meeting to try to avert the fiscal cliff. the debate on the hill has been downright discouraging. republicans and democrats resorting to name-calling as the year comes to a close. this is what we can expect in
carefully before investing. >>> looking over the fiscal cliff. >> we're running out of time. >> if congress doesn't act, then everybody's taxes go up. >> can the leaders rise above to avoid a financial fiasco? your money's at stake and we're following the latest details from the nation's capital. >>> joining us this morning, former white house insiders tony fratto and jerry bernstein. >> and the wait and see game for investors. get the wall street fratsy that could boost your financial future. have a happy new year. the second hour of "squawk box" starts right now. ♪ >>> good morning, everybody. welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc, i'm becky quick along with andrew ross sorkin here at cnbc headquarters. joe kernen and john harwood are in washington, d.c. this morning and our guest host on "squawk" today, former white house deputy press secretary, tony fratto, and former economic policy adviser to vice president biden, jared bernstein from the center on budget and policy priorities. both of them are cnbc contributors. happy new year. >> happy new year. happy to be here. >> on fiscal
percent of what they want. lou: there are only ten days remaining to the fiscal cliff. president obama headed to value within actually minutes, and members of congress have also gone home for chrrstmas vacation already. in a news conference today, speaker boehner admitted negotiations with the president have, indeed, been difficult. >> until the president on monday, these are my bottom lines. the president told me that his numbs, $1 trillion in new revenues, 850 billion in spending cuts was his bottom-line. he could not go any further. lou: and he didn't. the plan be option collapsing last night when he failed to get republican support to raise taxes on only those making more than a million dollars a year. over in the senate majority leader harry reid pounced on the very public embarrassing defeat. >> we knew the so-called plan b was no plan at all. it could not pass the senate. it turns out, it could not pass the house either. it is too bad speaker boehner wasted a week in his political stunt. lou: if there is no agreement, taxes will go up on all american taxpayers and hundreds of bi
know the president and congress is all focused on the fiscal cliff, will there be any negotiations before the december 31 deadline on the debt ceiling number or will they table that and let treasury deal with it until they have to? >> the white house would like there to be one global deal that includes the debt ceiling but republicans are hearing nothing of that. the president proposed let's get rid of actually having firm vote on raising the debt ceiling, let's reduce a simpler system because of it rattles the market too much but republicans are saying they want to hold the debt ceiling in reserve in the negotiations because if you can't get a deal on taxes or prove some legislation december 31 raising tax increases, they want to use the debt ceiling to force negotiations on spending cuts going forward, david. david: tim geithner is on his own until the first of the year. >> yes. david: appreciate it. shibani: a look at the s&p futures including going back to the cme group. mark. >> looks like we gave away another $1.50 after close. i cannot imagine a good reason to carry a long p
the list. >>> and congress, running out of time to stop the u.s. economy from going over the fiscal cliff. jamie dupree is in washington, d.c. where new numbers are being tossed around this morning. [ laughter ] [ girl ] wow, you guys have it easy. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah blah blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no. we had to watch movies in the den because that's where the tv outlet was. and if dad was snoring on the couch, we muscled through it. is she for real? your generation has it made. [ male announcer ] the wireless receiver only from at&t u-verse. get u-verse tv for $29 a month for six months. rethink possible. >>> stocks are mixed. they were found for a while. that would be down for the fifth day in a row. the five-day losing streak for the dow would be the longest since july. the dow you can see it's turned positive. it's up just slightly. the nasdaq is also up 22. s&p down 4. now, u.s. stocks are not the only indexes affected. the major european indexes are d
of washington a resolution to the fiscal cliff was unlikely. but president obama returned early from vacation and is said to have a new proposal to offer congress, sparking a rally that left the dow down just 19 points. reports are swirling apple is moving production of its mac mini computers to foxconn plants in the u.s. apple may also be working on a smart watch. and, the new york stock exchange landed the most ipo for 2012. larry levin of trading advantage joins us now. larry, it feels like we are already hanging off that cliff. > > it definitely feels that way. everybody is obviously watching for some kind of news out of washington. that is what has moved the market every day for the past couple of weeks. it will be no different today. so i absolutely agree with you. > should investors be concerned about the move in the volatility index yesterday? > > it was interesting to see that, and it is really something that at least active investors watch on a regular basis, so any time the vix moves, i think it is something to watch. > what do you anticipate for the friday trade? > > i certainly t
six deaths. if congress and the president can't come up with a plan and we dive on that fiscal cliff, look what would happen to the average federal taxpayers, the average taxpayer is roughly 50,000 bucks a year and that person would pay a extra, 1238 per year in taxes. in fact, every taxpayer would pay more if we go over that cliff. clearly, that would be a hit to the overall economy. and who is going to get the blame for that. noel clemente is here. i've got to believe that the republicans will get the blame for this, do you agree? >> right now, it's hard to say, because the house is the only body in washington that's actually passed anything to deal with the taxes, to deal with the spending side. fiscal cliff, they've passed bills and right now, no matter what the public blame may be, the fact of the matter is that the senate is next in line, and president obama is the president of the united states, expected to lead on this and to provide some ideas for it. stuart: i think you would agree with me that so far, it's the republicans who have taken the heat, and john boehner's plan b,
now not serving the people in the best fashion. we need the fiscal cliff resolved right away. this uncertainty causes great harm to the country, and we need very aggressive plans to reformulate our budget so that we don't have to have this uncertainty hanging over us so freakedly. you know, right now, american factories have a 20% price differential with competitors all through the the world. we need our system to be more competitive so we can grow. if we raise taxes on the job creators, on the factory owners, what happens is we'll be less competitive. the 20% will grow. we'll have less factories built here in america. it's very important that washington starts working out deals right away so that the fiscal cliff can be history, and we can focus on building factories, higher people, growing. dagen: well, they are not listening to you, drew. i hate to break it to you. in the interim, your company makes wire baskets and does sheet metal fabrication. based on what you see, how much of your own customers pulled back? have you seen layoffs? have you seen spending cuts ahead of th
am shibani joshi. ashley: and i and ashley webster. fiscal cliff talks are stalling. tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama said to speak in about 30 minutes from now. shibani: stocks are holding their ground. waiting for some sort of news out of washington. the dow sitting at session highs. at least we are closing. ashley: it changes with every headline. the world ringing in the new year. new zealand, australia, japan, china, we will get a sneak preview of celebrations being planned as times square gets prepared for 1 million visitors. it is a complete nightmare. [ laughter ] ashley: time now for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. we are up 51 points. not too bad on this last trading day of the year. >> that is right. the dow has been pretty flat. going back and forth between the red and green. the nasdaq is up 30. same goes for the s&p stock of about nine points. we are also watching a settlement between u.s. regulators and about a dozen banks. sources tell the "new york times" that 14 banks include tank of america, wells fargo and jpmorgan chase. we are taking a loo
. coming up, beyond the fiscal cliff, 90 new members of congress are on the way to washington and the new year. we're going to what the new makeup of capitol hill will mean for taxes, spending and everything else. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> welcome back to "squawk box." in the headlines this morning, as the fiscal cliff approaches congressional leaders a
are headed over the proverbial fiscal cliff. we say that because the senate hasn't voted on any kind of deal. you see it there live. and the house has said even if there is a deal, they're not going to bring any bill to a vote on this new year's eve. so the big question tonight, what impact will it have on every american? we have all of it covered, and we begin with nbc's kelly o'donnell for the latest from capitol hill. kelly? >> reporter: good evening, kate. well, congress is out of time, and frustrations are really running over. and while democrats and republicans say they want to find a solution and they are working toward that, they don't have a deal yet, and that means for now there is nothing to vote on before tonight's deadline. with your money on the line, tonight washington can only claim progress. but not success. >> it appears that an agreement to prevent this new year's tax hike is within sight. but it's not done. >> we're very, very close. >> reporter: close comes after intense, closed-door negotiations that kept even most members of congress in the dark. the white house and se
the fiscal cliff, i have to react. so i know where i need to pull back. >> can congress agree to a compromise deal before the end of the year? tune in to "squawk box" tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for up-to-the-minute coverage for the fiscal cliff talks. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male announcer ] just like you, business pro. just like you. go national.
benefits. the fiscal cliff is not the only ticking clock in washington. in a letter to congress treasury secretary tim geithner said the u.s. would hit the $16.4 trillion ceiling on monday. without extraordinary measures geithner announced that the treasury would begin accounting moves that would keep the government from hitting its credit limit for about two months. the treasury secretary warning that it's hard to predict exactly how much time the accounting moves will buy, because ongoing cliff negotiations make it hard for them to forecast revenue and spending for next year. >>> housing prices, some good news. on track to record their first yearly gain since 2006. it's a front page piece in "the wall street journal." it describes what is the strongest performance since the housing bust. the trend could accelerate this rebound we've seen in real estate. reason for the improvement, growing demand, shrinking supply, banks have slowed down foreclosures, and says here become more aggressive at modifying loans, or approving short sales. meantime, weak home construction in recent years is a
't appeared because it has been over this fiscal cliff. kudos on fox business for the headline of story coming out of washington congress will meet on sunday this coming weekend that. is definitely took us off our low. we had a major rally on that. 10 handles on the s.o.p.s we watched down here. it was a painful trade there for a couple of hours. ashley: ben, very quickly up until now the market hasn't really reacted to the fiscal cliff but seems today it really sort of kicked in. did the market get it wrong up to this point? >> the fear is we may have got it wrong. market as i've been saying for a while believes in fact we will have a resolution so we will not go over the cliff. the recent commentary maybe has been there will be a patch so we'll get it done by early january. the comments by mr. reid today. the ball was thrown into his court by mr. boehner who failed with his party, the expectation was mr. reid would have something positive to say the tape sent a clear message to washington, you got it wrong and if you continue to do this. ashley: daniel, what struck you about today's session?
. a traditionally quiet week could become hellish for traders. as fiscal cliff talks drag into the 11th hour with $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts due to kick in early next year, lawmakers will get back to the table later this week after house speaker john boehner's plan b failed to get enough republican support for a vote last week. >>> still, the market has been resilient. despite friday's decline, the s&p 500 posted its best week in four. and with just five trading sessions left in 2012, the dow has advanced 8% while the s&p 500 climbed 13. the nasdaq has jumped 16%. >>> reports are due this week on pending home sales. sales of new homes and a look at home prices in the nation's 20 largest cities. >>> are you still not sure what to get for the person who has everything? new retail numbers show footwear was the fifth most popular gift on shoppers' lists on black friday. a year ago, shoes didn't even make it into the top ten gifts for the season. >>> good news for hollywood. attendance by moviegoers is up more than 5.5% so far this year. ticket revenue is projected to jump by 6%
. the 100 of congress continued to spar with president obama and each other over the fiscal cliff. joining us from inside the beltway, peter barnes, rich edson standing by on capitol hill. all right. what are we waiting and? >> reporter: significant progress is what aides are telling us. they're working with the current framework right now. what it would do is protect income amounts of less than 400,000 for individuals, four under and 54 families, from a tax increase it includes extending current levels of the estate tax, preventing tens of millions of americans from having to pay the alternative minimum tax this year, ensuring that doctors who treat medicare patients don't get an automatic pay cut. long-term unemployment insurance. while lawmakers are discussing right now with the white house is how to deal with the sequester, those automatic spending cuts of 94 billion that are supposed to start next year. negotiations continue with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell leading the way for republicans, and a vice president discussing for democrats. we are starting to get some lawmakers
on vacation. washington lawmakers are on holiday. there's still no deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the deadline is a week away. hampton pearson is in washington on the stalemate. >> as early as the day after christmas, congress and the white house will have to start to deal with what president obama called the real consequences of going over that fiscal cliff. >> nobody can get 100% of what they want. and this is not simply a contest between parties in terms of who looks good and who doesn't. there are real world consequences to what we do here. >> a short-term deal won't just focus on tax rates. the end of the payroll tax cut and the impact of the hike in the minimum tax on january 1st. over the weekend, we did hear from some republican moderates who say it may in fact be time to make some kind of a move. >> the president's statement is right, no one wants taxes to go up on the middle class. i don't want them to go up on anybody. but i'm not in the majority in the united states senate and he's the president of the united states. >> now the focus shifted to mitch mcconnell. the se
the fiscal cliff. it will be an interesting few days as congress starts to reconvene. and also as corporate america is taking up this fight as well. ceo howard schulze of starbucks urging workers at 120 washington area stores to start writing on their coffee cups, come together. >> are you serious? >> yes. yes. >> that should help. i think that's going to do it. >> problem solved. >> between that, and the pins. >> i never thought of that. >> can you imagine -- oh, good idea, howard schulze. but he says we deserve better. >> we probably do. >> he's right. >> a lot of them are still on vacation. house members have been told there's nothing scheduled for this week. but you could be called back with 48 hours' notice. so, in a perfect world, things could possibly come together. >> 48 hours' notice and we have five days to go. >> i'm not saying we're not cutting it awfully close, but that's where things stand as of right now. >> new new housing data out tod home prices rose 4.3% in the 12 months ending in october in a 20-city composite, beating analysts' forecasts. it did appear as 12 of the 20 c
in this lame-duck session. the fiscal cliff is not resolved, i don't think it's going to be resolved during the lame-duck session. asia seems to have economic slowing problems, and maybe a little saber rattling - the same for the mideast. it's really kind of a dangerous time in the market, and this is a fund that is unusually low- volatility, low beta fund, so it's a place where you can get some relative safety. > > eric singer. thanks for joining us today. > > thank you. we are out of time for today. check back in with us every weekday morning, and you can also find us on facebook and twitter. from all of us at first business, thank you for watching.
. james rose in with a live report . the fiscal cliff fallback plan fails. mr. president of europe. it's your turn to lead. >> the president and congress take action, tax rates will go up on every american taxpayer and devastating defense cuts will go into effect in ten days. how we get their god only knows. lou: chief economist joining us with perspectives on what is next for the markets, the economy, and the country. ♪ lou: ten days until the fiscal clef. that's right. still counting. the market sell-off today on no solution and moody's chief economist and bedford of adviser and chairman ceo harvey eisen will join us in moments to make all of this rational and understandable. first, and the "moneyline," investors expressed disappointment in the republican failure to pass plan be by selling stocks of around the world. certainly adding to the drama today, a day in which four kinds of options expire, and that is expected a quadruple preaching day, plunging on the open, fighting its way back, ending with a loss of 121 points. that sounds lousy, but it is better than it had been. the s&
% since christmas time as fiscal cliff worries shake the commodities market. joining us now president of lipow associates. >> i think it is waiting on congress to do something. in the meantime, we have seen the dollar weakened against the euro. liz: we have gas around $3.25. what if we go over the fiscal cliff? >> if that is the case, i see us going down to about $2.10. liz: if we go to $82 a barrel, what will the forecast before june and july? in the past, the nation has gone through some kind of panic attack expecting five dollars for a gallon of gas. >> i do not see five dollars at all next year. i do not even see four dollars. i expect $3.75 to be the height of the peak. what i expect is nothing will happen until the new year when both congress and the president come back. they enact new tax cuts. neither side is interested in any sort of significant spending cuts. liz: where do you see oil and gas prices in that scenario? >> well, in that scenario, i think oil prices could rise if we just had the tax cuts because the spending will continue unabated and the dollar will get weaker
. regardless of what congress does or doesn't do to deal with the year-end fiscal cliff, it is too late for employers to accurately withhold income taxes from paychecks. payroll increases start january 1. but talks drag on of how to ad
scramble as the fiscal cliff is approaching and why right now? what will it take to hold congress' feet to the fire finally? i mean, if it has not been held to the fire now sh, and how soo will people start feeling the pain if no deal is reached? ali, bring in both sides of the political aisle and republican strategist anna navarro and maria cardona in washington. welcome the both of you. anna, why are we here right now? why are we sitting here right now talking about this right now with the senate gone home and congress in there working and the light is on, but few people are at home. why are we doing this? >> there is no good explanation. there's definitely no justification and no excuse for this. this is like, don, when you at the beginning of the year, when you are in school at the beginning of the year and you have been assigned a big project and you leave it to the last night. when i used to do thoo i was punished. if kids behaved the way the congresspeople were, they would be in time-out. if it were the private sector, they'd all be fired. no excuse. and the only solution i would
. with the deadline of the fiscal cliff only hours away. we failed to reach a reasonable compromise to move the economy forward and ward off painful tax hikes on the middle class. >> a lot of people feeling like in both the house and the senate this process could have been handled much better a long time ago with open hearings rather than having two people negotiate this deal at the last minute, trace. mike emanuel back to us on capitol hill. any updates as they come in. thank you. on this day in 1938, police tested the world's first
are out there struggling and certainly they deserve congress that will avoid going over the fiscal cliff. which is why the president has been working to bring the leaders together. >> the way our system is supposed to work is the president is supposed to make a proposal and go across the country persuading the american people he is right. finos how to do that. then he sits down with us and we complain and adjust and amend it and bring it up on the floor and vote on it and pass it and get it resolved. that is what is supposed to happen and it can't start until the president make the proposal. rich: lawmakers are waiting to see how the meeting shapes up next hour and so are we. neil: john boehner can deliver his caucus without spending cuts and democrats can't come to the table must -- my hand a doing this, republicans agreed to tax increases. we are going over the cliff and that might be what both sides want. >> the possible scenario where if the market reacts negatively lawmakers would feel the rush to pass something else. it became clear after john boehner put on the table keeping tax r
go over the fiscal cliff. where both sides are right now. ♪ you used the oven? boom ♪ [ male announcer ] pillsbury crescents. let the making begin. here's a better idea. pillsbury grands! flaky layers biscuits in just 15 minutes the light delicate layers add a layer of warmth to your next dinner. pillsbury grands biscuits let the making begin. >>> good morning. a frigid start. 30s and 40s outside our door. giving you a beautiful spot of union square. a great day too ice skate and maybe do some shopping. >>> at least two firefighters have been shot while responding to a house fire in new york. it happened shortly before 6:00 eastern time near lake ontario. firefighters were shot as they arrived at the scene. one is said to be in satisfactory condition. >> the other's condition is unknown at this hour. firefighters are not fighting the fire right now because they are waiting for police to finish evacuating the area as they search for a shooter. the fire has now spread to other homes. >>> the bickering continues a week away from the fiscal cliff. talks to try to prevent automati
get meaningful spending cuts, preserve entitlements back into the dialogue of this fiscal cliff debacle? >> well, i don't think we have it to encourage fiscal responsibility so much as we have it because it's required for congress to authorize borrowing money to pay our debt and deficit obligations. it's, the way i look at it, it is a mere constitutional technicality and we should raise it. i would like to make one point about on the downgrade issue that he just talked about. if we go over the fiscal cliff, that would certainly be no reason for a downgrade because we would be cutting the deficit and the debt. lori: right. >> but if we kick the can down the road here and don't do anything with a short-term solution, then i think it would be reasonable for the debt, excuse me for --. lori: another downgrade. >> for us to be downgraded, excuse me. lori: let me send it back over to you. there is a line of thinking if we do suffer a second credit downgrade that it could actually have more of ramification than just one downgrade because you do have a handful of credit agencies, right?
, sue. >>> a special report on fiscal cliff negotiations that is in addition to our coverage all day awning on cnbc and cnbc.com. simon? >> hundred efs thousands of jobs are waiting for congress to act over the next few hours. who is in trouble? more "power lunch" in two minutes plus of course president obama speaking in about 12. this is cnbc. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. sfls welcome back to "power lunch." one of the big barometers today on how the market feels about the ofds going over the fiscal cliff is the defense sector. the defense sector index today in fact back up near the highs after that report from john harwood that they may be close to a de
cuts that will hit if we go over the fiscal cliff. we are talking about sequestration. burial blakely -- great to see you. >> i think the president has stated very clearly that the cuts will not happen. we have a need for the congress to join him back here and washington and get a deal done. dagen: are you worried that there is so much attention being paid to the automatic tax increases and not dealing with the sequestration that would hit your industry hard? >> you have it exactly right. the slashing cuts in federal programs will begin to affect everyone and affect us immediately. certainly, the defense industry is very worried. the readiness of our troops, the equipment they depend on, the technology that is the united states edged, that is what is really in peril here. we are all worried about that. we are worried about the layoffs that will come in the defense industry. dagen: have any of these cops already started to happen? what have you seen in the activities of these big companies? >> they have already had to start making plans. they cannot make investments. you cannot make in
's not just the fiscal cliff, we've been talking about dairy farmers and wind farmers facing their own cliff. the price of a gallon of milk could cost $8 next year if congress fails to renew certain agricultural programs come december 31st. that's when wind farmers will also see the federal wind production tax credit disappear, which could lead the industry at a standstill. in addition to the fiscal cliff, milk cliff, and wind farm cliff, what other cliff are you worried about these days? tweet us. we have a new handle @squawkstreet and junior responses throughout the morning. >> some people on twitter have criticized how we just called it the container cliff. saying not everything is a cliff. >> but everything is a cliff. there is a deadline. >> containers will come in tor they won't. it's binary. >> we were chatting during the break, we're not allowed to own stocks, individual names, but if there was a name you wish you'd bought in the face of bad news last year? >> jpmorgan. it seemed that everyone wanted to sell off the stock, and this would be a huge impact on jpm. it had some perceptio
tax system, unless congress comes up with a patch and that's part of the whole fiscal cliff effect. come on over here, we'll show you more. 2.1 million, that's the number of long term unemployed americans who will lose the extended benefits again if there's no fix to the fiscal cliff. $1,000, that's the amount that the average family will see a tax hike from the expiration of the payroll tax cuts. i would point out this is probably both away. both sides seem to be on board with undoing that temporary tax cut. 9% is the percent deutsche bank sees the unemployment rate up from the 7.8% where we are right now if we do go over the fiscal cliff. and then this number here, again, john harwood was talking about this, 8.2%, that's the across the board automatic cuts. fema, education, and of course state and local aid which is something that you would see on an individual basis. one more chart i want to show you. again, we talked about big numbers. but it will affect different states differently. this is a chart organized by federal spending as a percent of state gdp. the maryland, virginia
on the fiscal cliff. let's bring in republican strategist. -- let's bring in a republican strategist. welcome back. >> good to be here. stuart: it looks like the republicans will get quite a bit of the blame regardless of whether we get a deal, no deal, or whether we go over the cliff. i think you will probably agree that short-term they get the blame. how about long-term >> look, this is obama's game. his game is he needs someone to blame. he had bush in his first term. now he's got the fiscal cliff. blame the republicans. and the truth is, in the short-term, the g.o.p. gets the blame. and they deserve it a little bit. but in the long-term, things change. stuart: you are a republican strategist. why do you say that republicans deserve some of the blame short-term? >> well, they deserve it the same way everyone in washington deserves it. no one in washington is incentiveized to think about the long-term. everyone is thinking about the short-term. by the way we see this in the private sector as well where companies think about, you know, the next quarter and never think about the long-term. th
think we are going to get some sort of deal or conclusion to this fiscal cliff by the end of the year think it's going to be a bad deal so while some are saying that we could get a rally if there's a deal reached by the president and congress, we could get a quick ramly, it's only temporary and we face the reality of the situation in the new year, and bottom line, david, when we looked at the oil reports today, there is a significant decline in energy consumption in the united states right now, and while that might be good to lower gas prices, it's not a great sign about the overall economy. david: it's not at all, but it makes the current rise in oil prices seem stranger than before. if the economy's slowing down, no reason for oil to be above 90 # for the long term. >> right. david: thank you very much. >> the trend with the retail consumer as a whole; right? david: market pam, john stevenson and larry, multimedia trust associate portfolio manager from west newton, massachusetts, and if you go to boston college, you see that name everywhere. spent a lot of money at that college. i h
. fewer than five days to go until whi we go over the proverbial fiscal cliff and when dividend taxes go up it makes an already bad situation worse. >> right now the tax is 15%. by next tuesday, folks, wouts a deal from congress, they are going to more than double to 39.6%. now he wrote this opinion piece in "forbes" highlighting an unfair tax code that rewards debt and penalizes those dividend payments. joining us now here is the author of that, the ceo of otc markets group. you've got a real bone to pick over this. plain your special. thank you amanda and bill. have 16 under daying securities in the otc marketplaces. these companies attract dividend investors. keep them honest and great source of revenue. hour, dividend taxes are not taxed at 15% but are double taxed. companies have to pay taxes on their profits before distributing them as dividends. dividends are double taxed and will almost be triple taxed unless we do something in washington. all those million of dividend investors should be really angry. bad for them but it's bad for the economy. >> realistically though could we re
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